(04-13-2020, 12:20 PM)somethingelseishere Wrote: [ -> ]Do you think maybe that the tying them up part might
scar them or create an issue where there isn't one?
No man it wouldn't because it's not being done in a shitty environment by a freaked out psycho with the intention to harm...
I guarantee you, where most people wouldn't be able to pull off a sense of normalcy in such a situation, I absolutely would be capable of cultivating a relaxed and fun environment...
Nothing is any different than it ever was, besides the fact that you can't move your hands around.
Would it take getting used to? Yeah, you'd have to confront yourself... you'd have to break through all the issues. That's WHY we allot so much time for this whole process to take place.
Nothing bad is going to happen except for being forced to confront their own "demons" and NOT be able to pick themselves til they bleed in order to deal with it. No, no more of that. They will learn to confront them exhibiting no outwardly physically manifested behaviors. What is a psychological problem should have only a psychological/mental response.
It'd be highly beneficial... any potentially unwanted effects from the method of treatment would absolutely not be greater in magnitude than the original problem. There's just no way.
They gotta be restricted 100% from moving the hands around, because after the therapy is over, as a default, they'll go back to moving them around anyways, and when engaging in the activities that (used to) lead to physical expression of neurosis...
They'll be more mindful and aware of what they're doing with their hands.
Self-injury due to neurotic behaviors is harmful, scarring, physically AND psychologically painful.
There's a sense of helplessness and the inability to control oneself.
These are dangerous influences to live under and I would imagine the rate of suicide for these people must be considerably higher than those who are not afflicted.
Any residual effects from being tied up would be a small price to pay for being cured of such a heavy burden, and I am in no way convinced there even would be any residual effects whatsoever, beyond mindfulness of one's hand related movements (a necessary change).
And the psychotherapy aspect of this is built right in...
We would so naturally come around to discussing the deeper reasons behind the neurotic state in the first place as a result of treatment using restricted movement...
Discussing the issues themselves would be almost second nature when utilizing this method of treatment, since the whole idea is to engage in discussion anyway, therefore reprogramming the body's subconscious physical response to being in deep conversation or thought.
(04-13-2020, 12:41 PM)user316 Wrote: [ -> ][redacted]
I've observed you speaking and have noted no physical manifestations of neurosis such as picking of the skin...
If I'm wrong, show me some photos of your war wounds.
Regardless...
This is where it does become important to address the fact that the patient must at least in some way LIKE and respect the rehabilitator.
If the patient hated you or thought you were dumb or annoying, or simply didn't enjoy talking to you, then this therapy very clearly would not work, and would be a negative experience... exactly what we do not want.
And so you see, all of the hurtles to overcome with regards to this method of rehabilitation are nothing to shake a stick at and it's no wonder people don't get help.
That's why I mention loved ones, family, friends... and how it's so devastating that often times none of them understand the problem or even breach the topic.
Reminds me of this man's message...
"Why I Quit Being a Therapist: The Truth About The Psych Industry"
https://www.sectual.com/thread-6702.html
Instead of depending on psychologists, people should learn how to help their loved ones.
(04-13-2020, 03:42 PM)user316 Wrote: [ -> ][redacted]
I'm sorry, I can't take you as a patient.
My patients can't be dependent on toilet paper.
(04-13-2020, 03:42 PM)user316 Wrote: [ -> ][redacted]
This is a great question I was giving some thought earlier...
Because we are trying to break associations between talking/discussion and neurotic behaviors, the therapy should take place in the patients' most comfortable and most often inhabited locations. It only makes sense because this is all about habits.
To be the most effective, the therapy probably would ideally take place at the home of the patient.
I would really have to think about it more in depth, but those are my initial thoughts.
Once tied is there a compelling force that arises instigating a desire for escape? Like claustrophobia on steroids?
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/37062
When there is no ability to punch holes in the walls do you suspect that this violent energy will be directed into the inner psyche developing tunnels into hidden realms of untrodden or heavily congested neural pathways?
Will you be strengthening your psychic powers in the process of probing deeper and in effect moving around the psychological landscape with your penetrating gaze and vision into the unseen as a way of organising and cleaning house?
Will it be a case of prompting and teaching methods for the bound to use in future once the trial is over and the encumbered’s patience has been fully tested? Is there a chance of relapse or a lap dance?
*Smokes cigarette and sips coffee in contemplation*
One of those a-ha moments...
(04-13-2020, 05:42 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]Once tied is there a compelling force that arises instigating a desire for escape? Like claustrophobia on steroids? https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/37062
Most likely... but this is just a part of confronting the issues. It's necessary. It'll pass.
(04-13-2020, 05:42 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]When there is no ability to punch holes in the walls do you suspect that this violent energy will be directed into the inner psyche developing tunnels into hidden realms of untrodden or heavily congested neural pathways?
I don't think there would be any "violent" energy.
(04-13-2020, 05:42 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]Will you be strengthening your psychic powers in the process of probing deeper and in effect moving around the psychological landscape with your penetrating gaze and vision into the unseen as a way of organising and cleaning house?
Not really, but that sounds kinda hot! I'm getting this sorta screenplay like vision in my mind now, you could make a movie out of this shit!
(04-13-2020, 05:42 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]Will it be a case of prompting and teaching methods for the bound to use in future once the trial is over and the encumbered’s patience has been fully tested?
I think extreme awareness of the neurotic behavior and its tool of destruction (in this case, the hands/fingers) will be enough in and of itself. But I think that during the course of treatment, specific needs of the patient will become very clear... because everyone is different, there probably isn't one single set of general rules that will be equally effective on everyone. That's the issue with the cold, clinical approach... there's no chance to really get that deep into the true needs of each patient as an individual.
(04-13-2020, 05:42 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]Is there a chance of relapse or a lap dance?
There could be a chance of relapse... sure. It may be necessary to repeat treatment in some cases. But over the course of treatment, as a natural function of discussion, we will stumble upon experiences, conditions, feelings, beliefs, reinforcing thought patterns and all other kinds of things that are the CAUSE of the neurotic behavior in the first place... and addressing those, making sure those are mitigated going forward (i.e., issues with the patient's environment, either inward or outward) will decrease the possibility of relapse.
As far as lap dancing...
I would have to be VERY convinced that the patient wanted it real bad...
(04-13-2020, 11:31 AM)Mister Obvious Wrote: [ -> ]I'd need someone who is deeply neurotic (with manifest physical behaviors) to not only recognize they have a problem and desire help for it, but be WILLING to... let me tie them up for months!? 
Im your huckleberry I been through worse in fact I would volunteer for your experiment cos I know your heart is in the right place.