I just read about this...
Apparently it was the end of the show's ELEVEN YEAR FUCKING RUN and they kill off the main character with this fucking BS...
Wow.
If I was an actor on that show, I would be absolutely fucking disgusted with the way they ended that shit.
Not only is it bs, it's fucking trash writing. When they tell you to write from experience, this isn't what they were talking about. This is a trope worse than ending a series with the dreaded "it was all a dream". At least people who haven't seen it can now know to avoid that shit.
Did you see the finale? I haven't seen any of the final season, I have just read about it...
And seen photos of the cast sitting around in the house all wearing masks...
(04-13-2021, 09:31 PM)Mister Obvious Wrote: [ -> ]Did you see the finale? I haven't seen any of the final season, I have just read about it...
I haven't seen any of the final season either. But the whole thing with surviving an overdose just to get killed by Covid... if I'm William Macy and I get that script, I'm like "please ... and I mean that sincerely... PLEASE... kill yourselves. And then find me some new writers. Why? Because FUCK this shit, that's why."
(04-13-2021, 10:14 PM)Atma Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't seen any of the final season either. But the whole thing with surviving an overdose just to get killed by Covid... if I'm William Macy and I get that script, I'm like "please ... and I mean that sincerely... PLEASE... kill yourselves. And then find me some new writers. Why? Because FUCK this shit, that's why."
William is a nice guy... and he's actually one of the few REAL actors in hollywank. That is, when he acts, he is not just being himself... he's a real artist. Here's my thread about acting:
https://www.sectual.com/thread-17664.html
Anyway... having only objected to one or two script things over the 11 year run of Shameless, I doubt he'd speak up at this late hour. He probably couldn't. Too thick and sticky a web of bullshit spun around this whole thing, and I'm sure it was just easier for him to walk away.
For them to do this with the show after 11 years...
To kill FRANK, the MAIN character, with a contrived red herring 'virus' that just popped up out of nowhere and was used as an excuse to ass rape the entire world...
What if it comes out in the future that this whole thing was a massive load of absolute bullshit?
I dunno, the whole situation is a lot bigger than a stupid TV show, lmao but...
My point itself is valid...
This is the close to 11 years of a story?
Cheap. Disgustingly cheap.
They should have never even acknowledged the CV bullshit on the show, they should have continued on with the Gallagher universe as if CV didn't fucking exist, because people watch TV to ESCAPE, not to be reminded of 'real life'.
The final season of Shameless may as well not even exist.
Let's face it, the show's kinda been shit for a while now...
I think it straight up died when Jeremy Allen White got a haircut. But I digress.
If a whole show depends on one character's hair, then maybe things weren't going so well anyway.
I bet there are some people on that show with very sore feelings, man.
Maybe not many, but you know there have to be one or two people who know this is all BS and are thinking the same thing right about now.
But maybe not though... maybe they're literally all stupid sheep.
Everything about it sucked it
I couldn't agree with you more, Fartbox.
Seems unanimous...
Shameless and its cast members got done dirty.
I mean that show was always a slave to the NWO.
It's not like it wasn't their whore from day 1.
But what they did with the last season was so unnecessary.
Maybe that's why Emmy Rossum left that shit and didn't come back.
In Shameless UK edition, the Fiona character came back in a cameo at the show's finale.
Yikes.
I don't even like Fiona TBH, but now Emmy Rossum better be set for life because that's who she will be seen as from here on out. Not like she can't do other work, but it's always just gonna be Fiona.
It's a slap in the face to everybody on that show... for real.
What's his nuts William basically encouraged Emmy to "escape" the confines because she's such a great actress or whatever... that's totally not even true, she's another 'just being themselves' actor. But what does set her apart is her singing ability... she's actually pretty decent musically and should pursue a career on stage (in musicals) from now on. On screen, she's Fiona, but on stage she could actually have the opportunity to act (and sing) rather than be typecast.
I think what Macy really meant was that she needed to escape that dirty world of hollyweird acting altogether.
(04-14-2021, 08:37 AM)Mister Obvious Wrote: [ -> ]For them to do this with the show after 11 years...
To kill FRANK, the MAIN character, with a contrived red herring 'virus' that just popped up out of nowhere and was used as an excuse to ass rape the entire world...
What if it comes out in the future that this whole thing was a massive load of absolute bullshit?
...
This is the close to 11 years of a story?
Cheap. Disgustingly cheap.
They should have never even acknowledged the CV bullshit on the show, they should have continued on with the Gallagher universe as if CV didn't fucking exist, because people watch TV to ESCAPE, not to be reminded of 'real life'.
The final season of Shameless may as well not even exist.
Everything you said here is searing in its accuracy, though I will say the whole series might as well not exist now, THAT is how fucking retroactively ruinous it is. You can't even really call it exploitive given how fucking pathetic it is. To your multifaceted point, nobody knows what the fuck CV is yet, and to latch onto it in this fashion is pure fucking folly. The showrunners may as well be saying "we could give a FUCK about this show's legacy". Also: we had no real plan. Also: we aren't creative. I felt similarly about the final episodes of LOST and Game of Thrones, though I was far more invested in those shows. Breaking Bad, on the other hand, and True Detective season one--those are both exemplary examples of how to close out a show, particularly BB.
It's not that the idea of being given a death sentence just after surviving an OD is weak in and of itself. I mean... "you're a fighter, you survived. Oh, by the way, you have aids"... would that have been terrible? It can be done in a way that's strong, even darkly humorous, and leaves you asking questions about the main character, and it's at least tangentially related to what he was getting into. I'm pretty sure they were planning on killing him off all along, and they saw CV as an "interesting alternative" and an "opportunity". Huge mistake.
I never really cared about the series as a whole, I just dropped in to see Macy doing his thing on occasion, because nobody does understated like he does--and he makes it look so easy. He is one of the very rare actors that reminds me that this is a fucking artform and a craft. Shitty, shortcut-taking soft writing makes me feel murderous, and WHM deserves--fucking warrants--a greater amount of thought and development to close out the series. He's not my favorite, not by a long stretch, but I appreciate his substantial skill.
Gonna go check out the Interstellar thread on acting; thank you for linking it!