Clif High: One of the greatest minds of our time...

[Atma]

41:14 amen, so true. This is why I absolutely do not believe people can change. We are who we are. Period.

I didn't extrapolate an inability to change from his explanation of enduring consciousness. He didn't say enduring personality. I think there's not even really a fine line between the two. 

If people couldn't change then raising kids, brainwashing or willful reprogramming would all be impossible. 

People evolve as personalities. 

There are kids that steal all the time and then grow up and have no desire to steal. There are bloodthirsty killers who eventually deeply regret their actions. Conversely there are loving people who become killers. A single trauma can alter a personality immensely. Christians become atheists. Atheists become satanists. 

Over decades of life I have witnessed people fundamentally changing to the point that they're simply not the same personality on any level whatsoever. In some cases it's really depressing, and in others it's inspiring. And of course there are people that truly never seem to change. 

If all people couldn't change than redemption would be an illusion. People would be cemented down by their immature decisions and would never be able to learn from their mistakes. 

Not learning from mistakes is the hallmark of a dim personality, not a prison that everyone is trapped in. 

Anyone with half a brain learns from their mistakes, and people who are driven use mistakes to better themselves.

It's possible that some of this is semantics: 

When Clif claims that nobody can actually raise their consciousness, he's probably talking about something different from what a person who is meditating to "raise their consciousness" is thinking of. In his view, people meditate to experience the void of the pulse, but a lot of people think Clif is a quack (not me) and don't believe in the pulse theory, but deeply enjoy meditation. Are they talking about two different things? Clif would probably posit that people just don't know that they're meditating on the void of the pulse, and some people might respond by telling him to go fuck himself, others might say he's onto something (hi).

He also clearly believes in reincarnation given his "Sigma Male" explanation of efforts that project posthumously, when he indicated that he wants to come back in 5k years and whatever work he's doing now will allow for a cooler place to come back to. Did he imply that he's going to come back as exactly the same personality? I think that would be absurd. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to him, Sigma Males are the people who do work so deep it carries momentum beyond their physical death; not clear on why they're male).

That all said... I'm happy to know that I'm not suddenly going to shift into Uncle Shaniqua at any given point. LOL!

[Atma]

he references boscovich's a theory of natural philosophy a lot, i really need to get around to reading that. i got the digital edition for my kindle but i feel like i want to get a nice physical copy.

Definitely noted that down when he brought it up. 

I bet if you just started reading it on your kindle you'd forget about the desire for a physical copy.

I'm not saying you're doing this, but I've had an ebook that I wasn't reading (Hyperion by Dan Simmons, for instance), and told myself I wanted a physical copy, but then it arrives and I never get around to reading it. For me it's like an inevitable lack of interest that was disguised as a romantic notion.

[Mister Obvious]

I didn't extrapolate an inability to change from his explanation of enduring consciousness. He didn't say enduring personality. I think there's not even really a fine line between the two.

Well...

I was coming from the theory that our baseline vibration is there from conception, it's who and what we are. It's the framework everything clings to. Whatever we end up doing in life (whether good or bad) builds onto the framework.

Bad people can do good things, good people can do bad things.

Whatever your baseline vibration is, that is what you are going to be, and it's literally impossible for you to be anything else. It's what gives you definition and 'separates' you from the rest of 'woo' as Clif would call it... really, it's the principle of Ashe which you can learn about here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDXBwdXjllQ

I'm sure you know all this, Star, I am not assuming you don't... I am just trying to explain where I was coming from, and why I made the statement about people being unable to change.

People can learn, and add experience to their framework, in the form of their actions both good and bad. But at the core of it, their baseline vibration will always be the same... this means all of their beliefs and actions will always be conditioned by that baseline vibration. I dunno, I guess it's a hard concept to expound on, but I definitely stick by what I said.

[Mister Obvious]

The reason I've been pondering the baseline vibration lately is because I've been trying to understand myself better.

I have understood in recent months that I have an underlying, baseline tone/vibration.

I can be sweet, happy, have a positive outlook, be upbeat and fun...

But it seems like that type of behavior and those feelings are only ever on top of my baseline vibration which is, frankly, tinged with sadness.

Why? There is no logical explanation. But it's there. It's who I am. I am also good things. I can do good things, feel good things, help other people feel good. But underneath is always my baseline vibration, which takes on a forlorn tone more than I'd ever care to admit.

This is me:

https://images.sectual.com/upload/2019/0...af3e3d.png

You can see the undertone of sadness. It is what it is. It's always been there.

There are things in life that make me very happy...

For example, when I get up in the morning, the first thing I'd like to do is crank up some music and start to warm up and dance around. I love to dance, listen to music, sing. Not saying I do any of those things very well, but it makes me HAPPY. And when I don't get to do it, I am not very happy.

This is basic shit...

Maybe some peoples' baseline tones are mega super evil, but those people will still probably do a few good things in life and feel happiness at some point.

If you're working with an underlying vibration that isn't the absolute fuckin' best, it doesn't mean you have to succumb to it and give up.

[Mister Obvious]

In my own personal views and theories, the baseline vibration is essentially a conglomerate of soul traits...

I call this idea the "Dark Passenger" and I talk about it in this thread:

https://www.sectual.com/thread-6223.html

Here's an excerpt:

. . .

The dark passenger is often a voice of wisdom, typically a specialized type of wisdom, knowledge/experience in a particular field. The dark passenger typically 'rides along' with an embodied being, as part of the passenger's karma. This is why the dark passenger is 'dark'. They are assigned to experience things through a vessel (passenger seat) for the purpose of 'community service', on the Universal level.

I don't know if that's the case for everyone, but it is the case for me.

[zenba]

i hate those dresses so much.

[Mister Obvious]

Yeah man you really have a point there, rofl!!!!!!!!!!!

I THINK I MIGHT HATE THEM TOO!!!!!!!!

[Atma]

I call this idea the "Dark Passenger" 

Oh, yes. YEP. 1000%. I have a Dark Passenger. "Dark Passenger" is such a beautiful term for what you're describing. I love it. You're amazing.

It's very clear to me after taking the time to read your posts, here, that semantics are at play.

There are the scientific terms, "Consciousness", "Ego", "Personality", but even amidst the differing professions you have alterations in meaning. For instance, "Ego" in psychology takes on a different shade from "Ego" in sociology. Since there are many nuances just in the practical applications of the terms, imagine the level of nuance when speaking in esoteric or even spiritual terms. Once you fully enter the domain of the subjective, the meanings become highly filtered between one person and the next. 

Listening to a guy like Clif--even though he's very articulate--it's clear that he's working within his own set of rules; he's intuited his own answers to the big questions, and he shares his information on his terms, and having arrived at these ideas through intuition instead of scientific instruments or lab-centric research, the ideas speak to our intuitive and creative faculties rather than to our calculators and math-brains. As viewers, we can then take our own intuitive understanding of these concepts and apply them, and the more unprovable (and therefore ambiguous) the theorems, the greater our capacity to apply our own. Clif has found a way to weave incredible ideas as a kind of blank canvas--which is genius bordering on herculean when you consider the level of clarity that he emanates from--and that allows his viewers to create their own pictures. It's far more stimulating than cold, raw data. It's the poetry of intuition. The nature of intuition is to simultaneously send and receive information that cannot be assessed as cold data, but rather as conceptual ideas. 

I think there is a kind of inherent and even sad irony that the rare people who have the courage to deeply invest in themselves, in terms of understanding their own core machinations, often cannot directly communicate with one another in a way that is mutually satisfying. I think this is by design. I think these points of light do not need each other, rather they are needed by the greater masses who do not know themselves, so they are kind of isolated from one another in order to be a greater light source for those who need it. Often, if you put two great minds together in a room, they will attempt to take the leadership role they were both born to take, and butt heads. They admire from afar, bristle together. It's not always the case, but it's definitely often the case.

This is me:

https://images.sectual.com/upload/2019/0...af3e3d.png

You can see the undertone of sadness. It is what it is. It's always been there.

This explains so much. Last week, maybe about five or six days ago, I was feeling you so strongly that it was like I was in the room with you, and I decided I would just send you this wave of love, and I immediately felt you saying "stop". It wasn't defensive, because I wasn't being intrusive, that wasn't the energy. It had an undertow of sadness to it, and that picture really sums up the essence of what I felt. 

By the way, I had a sense around 11am, as I was waking up, that you were writing all of this, or had already written it, and I felt this vibe like you had sent out a probe of sorts to check me out, as if you were checking my aura, and I felt totally open to it, not violated, there was an already existing permission for access, and I felt you kind of quickly approve of what you saw and then it ended and I fully woke up. Just to avoid getting a facepalm, I'd like to say I'm fully aware this could have all been some waking-up subconscious stuff and that you didn't even think twice about me, lol.

[Guest]

It looks like Stevie Nicks.

[zenba]

i'm not sure which video[s] at this point, but clif keeps talking about supply chain issues down the road. there's a massive shipping container vessel that literally drew a dick fucking an ass that subsequently ran aground in one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world. i don't think the suez is gettin cleared anytime soon.

[Mister Obvious]

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HONK HONK EY ASSHOLE, YA BLOCKIN TRAFFIC

[Mister Obvious]

Lookit dis fuckin' guy.

[zenba]

#nofuxEverGiven

[Mister Obvious]

Wow.

[Atma]

New vid today from the man. 

At 9:30 ish he talks about staying ahead of the "Algos" (algorithms) due to his vast understanding of and experience with the language. 
It occurred to me that Clif is literally an underground hero straight out of a science fiction film, keeping the torch of the soul of "what truly matters" aflame in spite of the matrix.

[Mister Obvious]

Discussion on another thread vaguely related to topics discussed herein:

I will segue into discussing the motion of the solar system throughout the universe...

This Clif High video explains it...

Ooo, this new Clif video looks like a tasty treat...

He's explaining how the sun is spiraling through space and pulling along the planets with it...

https://www.sectual.com/thread-358-post-...l#pid17172

I totally agree with Clif about this, and indeed I do believe this is how stuff moves not only through space, but through every element of existence...



Rather than just going forward, it kind of 'bobs'... LOL.

So yes, it is spiraling forth through space, but it's also kind bobbing back and forth at the same time.

More likely, it's "phasing" or what Clif calls the "pulse"...

https://www.sectual.com/thread-358-post-...#pid136104

Most likely it's sort of a gentle flicker, but the movements just seem so extreme to us because we're a small thing inside a bigger thing.

https://www.sectual.com/thread-17891.html

Crazy shifts happening, guys, wow!!!

[Mister Obvious]

It occurred to me that Clif is literally an underground hero straight out of a science fiction film, keeping the torch of the soul of "what truly matters" aflame in spite of the matrix.

Definitely a comic book character for sure.

[Atma]

This should be interesting. Clif indicates that full UFO disclosure is coming this June, and it's going to trigger an "end to Woo" of sorts.

[Atma]

22:45  when the giddiness slides into his voice regarding how insane the normies are going to go... 

Fucking LOOOOLLL

[Mister Obvious]

I am gonna have to make time to watch some Clif today... this is all just too intriguing.