04-27-2022, 05:32 AM
The re-enactors seem to be engaged in something that is far greater than the sum of its/their parts. I like your inclusion of the term "spiritual". I wonder to what degree the imagination features? I would think greatly.
What's the closest time travel analogy in the re-enactment context? That we are going back in time, or that we are bringing the past into the present, (or the future, as relative to the past)? Definitely the latter analogy.
We can't travel back in time, but we can reconstruct things that have existed in the past. You don't go back in time physically; you travel forward in time to recreate what happened in the past in the future, in order to inspect it again. In reversable computation, time is still moving forward.
The universe has novelty in it, which is proof that time both exists and is a fundamental force that creates space. It yields unpredictability, but not as a sign of entropy, rather, as a sign of assembly.
Common physics will posit that everything already is -- and can be predicted with enough data. However, if you look at a sliver of reality, such as what is afforded in the window of any given re-enactment, you'll see that novelty is ever being created as we move forward in time. So, to a degree, the re-enactors are simultaneously engaged in novelty research and novelty expansion without necessarily being aware (?). This makes me think of the question of AI -- if the AI is doing everything that we do in order to facilitate a complete replica of consciousness, IS it in fact consciousness, or is it just completely unaware and going through the motions so as to appear conscious? In a novel universe, however, with enough novelty, eventually AI will be conscious. To this end, I think it's fair to say, with enough novelty, eventually re-enactors will relive the past and ostensibly be the past.
In the case of re-enactment -- particularly within organized groups who make great effort to recreate details with exact precision -- the presence of novelty is palpable; both the novelty that has expanded to arrive at that point, and the new novelty created by every re-enacted detail; the greater the detail and precision of the re-enacted event, the greater the expansion of novelty in the process of unveiling. It's like taking a current causal graph and overlapping it with a past causal graph to yield a future causal graph, that is then "enacted" as a "re-enactment", making the event of the re-enactment massively more novel and complicated than the original, and -- as stated -- the re-enactments that pay tremendous attention to detail and "getting it right", and execute on a high level, produce greater novelty than average, as in order to realize greatness in the form, there is more energy put forth, more time spent, more intensity, more high-level talented people culled, more rehearsal, greater exposure through audience, word of mouth and media coverage, and so on, then what might exist in a lesser effort.
And imagination features prominently -- of course it does -- which is further proof of novelty, even though it's tempered into a collective agreement. In other words, I might have a personal view of what happened during an event in the Civil War, and in reading many different texts I can "see" this event from different angles, and "imagine" what actually happened. However, if I am with five other people, each with their own imagination, then the spaces where our visions are the same will feature in our forward effort, and the spaces where we differ will either feature if a majority exists, or fall away if in the minority, and in this fashion the event is eventually brought from the past by committee, into the relative future, and is presented anew, and tremendous novelty is the residual.
That we are here discussing re-enactment could be seen as a point of "causal novelty", if you will, fed by many re-enactment events, and in the grander scale of assembly, is now a source point for another explosion of novelty spokes bursting outward. This very post is producing novelty, within this seemingly small context of "a thread", in the larger context of "this forum", from which much novelty is created, but not without having first come from the imagination of a woman in Kentucky, who may have been doing her own re-enactment of something when the thought arose. An interest in re-enactment might be nestled in the very creation of this forum.
Consider a group of people from the future who try to re-enact the entirety of all the posts of Interstellar by reverse engineering; parsing the data in a super sophisticated way with a technology that we can't yet predict -- one that allows them to see us all as we currently are, or "once were", from their vantage, and spend 5-to-? years recreating the entirety of it -- including how the posts are spaced and timed -- every last detail -- every last laptop, cpu, cell phone, apartment, house, car of each and every person who has posted here, even re-enacting every lurker, such as people who happened upon one page over the course of five minutes and never returned. A thorough and precise re-enactment of every moment of Interstellar history. There's much novelty to be both gleaned and generated from such an endeavor. This is a worthy vehicle for that level of exploration -- the kind of exploration that re-enactment affords.
What's the closest time travel analogy in the re-enactment context? That we are going back in time, or that we are bringing the past into the present, (or the future, as relative to the past)? Definitely the latter analogy.
We can't travel back in time, but we can reconstruct things that have existed in the past. You don't go back in time physically; you travel forward in time to recreate what happened in the past in the future, in order to inspect it again. In reversable computation, time is still moving forward.
The universe has novelty in it, which is proof that time both exists and is a fundamental force that creates space. It yields unpredictability, but not as a sign of entropy, rather, as a sign of assembly.
Common physics will posit that everything already is -- and can be predicted with enough data. However, if you look at a sliver of reality, such as what is afforded in the window of any given re-enactment, you'll see that novelty is ever being created as we move forward in time. So, to a degree, the re-enactors are simultaneously engaged in novelty research and novelty expansion without necessarily being aware (?). This makes me think of the question of AI -- if the AI is doing everything that we do in order to facilitate a complete replica of consciousness, IS it in fact consciousness, or is it just completely unaware and going through the motions so as to appear conscious? In a novel universe, however, with enough novelty, eventually AI will be conscious. To this end, I think it's fair to say, with enough novelty, eventually re-enactors will relive the past and ostensibly be the past.
In the case of re-enactment -- particularly within organized groups who make great effort to recreate details with exact precision -- the presence of novelty is palpable; both the novelty that has expanded to arrive at that point, and the new novelty created by every re-enacted detail; the greater the detail and precision of the re-enacted event, the greater the expansion of novelty in the process of unveiling. It's like taking a current causal graph and overlapping it with a past causal graph to yield a future causal graph, that is then "enacted" as a "re-enactment", making the event of the re-enactment massively more novel and complicated than the original, and -- as stated -- the re-enactments that pay tremendous attention to detail and "getting it right", and execute on a high level, produce greater novelty than average, as in order to realize greatness in the form, there is more energy put forth, more time spent, more intensity, more high-level talented people culled, more rehearsal, greater exposure through audience, word of mouth and media coverage, and so on, then what might exist in a lesser effort.
And imagination features prominently -- of course it does -- which is further proof of novelty, even though it's tempered into a collective agreement. In other words, I might have a personal view of what happened during an event in the Civil War, and in reading many different texts I can "see" this event from different angles, and "imagine" what actually happened. However, if I am with five other people, each with their own imagination, then the spaces where our visions are the same will feature in our forward effort, and the spaces where we differ will either feature if a majority exists, or fall away if in the minority, and in this fashion the event is eventually brought from the past by committee, into the relative future, and is presented anew, and tremendous novelty is the residual.
That we are here discussing re-enactment could be seen as a point of "causal novelty", if you will, fed by many re-enactment events, and in the grander scale of assembly, is now a source point for another explosion of novelty spokes bursting outward. This very post is producing novelty, within this seemingly small context of "a thread", in the larger context of "this forum", from which much novelty is created, but not without having first come from the imagination of a woman in Kentucky, who may have been doing her own re-enactment of something when the thought arose. An interest in re-enactment might be nestled in the very creation of this forum.
Consider a group of people from the future who try to re-enact the entirety of all the posts of Interstellar by reverse engineering; parsing the data in a super sophisticated way with a technology that we can't yet predict -- one that allows them to see us all as we currently are, or "once were", from their vantage, and spend 5-to-? years recreating the entirety of it -- including how the posts are spaced and timed -- every last detail -- every last laptop, cpu, cell phone, apartment, house, car of each and every person who has posted here, even re-enacting every lurker, such as people who happened upon one page over the course of five minutes and never returned. A thorough and precise re-enactment of every moment of Interstellar history. There's much novelty to be both gleaned and generated from such an endeavor. This is a worthy vehicle for that level of exploration -- the kind of exploration that re-enactment affords.
