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(12-18-2018, 08:06 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]

4:06 the fact that they're lying on this point...

Does not bode well for them.

They are being pressured.

Strong-armed.

There's hardly anything in the world better than these fuckin' nerdy dudes...

Teaching kids to be politically correct without teaching them to use it only against certain people is starting to backfire. Now the kids are calling out everybody.

It's mighty interesting that this "trust and safety" officer at Patreon used to work for PayPal, and lo and behold PayPal bans Patreon's rival SubscribeStar as soon as people start switching in droves. At what point does an incredible string of coincidences stop being coincidental?

Microsoft used to get sued or fined every time they turned around for their anti-competitive practices. Seems there needs to be a Federal investigation of Patreon and PayPal.

(12-18-2018, 09:21 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]It's mighty interesting that this "trust and safety" officer at Patreon used to work for PayPal, and lo and behold PayPal bans Patreon's rival SubscribeStar as soon as people start switching in droves.

End of story as far as I'm concerned.

(12-18-2018, 09:02 PM)Trix Wrote: [ -> ]

8:40...

This is an excellent example of why I hold this opinion:

(12-14-2018, 09:46 PM)Trix Wrote: [ -> ]We've gone too far into the non-physical with the internet and it's time to start bringing things more toward the physical side.

That's why I think people (content creators etc.) running online stores selling ACTUAL THINGS should be more prevalent.

(12-14-2018, 09:49 PM)Trix Wrote: [ -> ]And it's about balance...

OF COURSE digital items should be offered (in various forms, be it eBooks, subscriptions to digital services, whatever)...

But to offer absolutely nothing physical is just bullshit.

And I'm NOT just talking about "merch" that comes from third parties that no one ever even personally handles...

I'm talking about CREATING and selling things that MATTER. That have SOME KIND OF MEANING, even if it's fricken retarded.

There is "digital item fatigue" now running rampant.

Here's a crowdfunding site I hadn't even heard of.

https://en.tipeee.com/

Tipeee has 27,960 creators and 140,061 tippers. Apparently it's based in Europe, as the figures are in Euros.

Someone on YouTube commented that there were no banning or deplatforming problems on Tipeee.

Naomi Wu is already there.

Since it's based in Europe, I'm sure they'll find a way to stop Americans from being able to use it.

I'm truly sorry to say this but...

None of these 'fan funding' sites are gonna make it.

(12-18-2018, 09:56 PM)Trix Wrote: [ -> ]There is "digital item fatigue" now running rampant.

You wouldn't know it from the way people piss and moan about how "we need a new platform." There's at least one generation that has never lived in the physical world. If they have digital item fatigue, they probably don't recognize it.

I'm talking specifically about products.

(12-18-2018, 10:13 PM)Trix Wrote: [ -> ]None of these 'fan funding' sites are gonna make it.

If that's true, then the era of getting paid to create online content is over for everyone except the corporations.

The reason everyone is online to begin with is they got tired of corporate media. They fled television, and they'll flee every online platform that gets overrun by corporate crap.

If there's nowhere to run, then the Internet as a whole is effectively dead.

Don't be dramatic.

I mean who's gonna continue paying for dogshit? Only Boomers watch TV now, and they'll all be dead in another decade. The Internet can't be far behind if it becomes Television 2.0.

(12-18-2018, 10:27 PM)Guest Wrote: [ -> ]The Internet can't be far behind if it becomes Television 2.0.

It's not gonna become "Television 2.0"...

They're simply creating Internet 2.

http://www.sectual.com/thread-2050.html

This will always be the original internet...

But there will be a breakaway, and it will form Internet 2, the sanitized internet that basically consists of only Facebook, only Twitter, only blah blah blah just like I talked about in the other thread re: devices which will only be able to access specific apps and not the whole internet.

These days though, I have more hope than before... Internet 1 may be salvageable as a money making platform. If it was all hacked, it can be 'un-hacked' and fixed up enough to still be usable. Nobody with any TRUE talent and brains is going to LIKE Internet 2.

It's going to come down to the (insufferably obnoxious) sheep who exclusively use Internet 2, and the unlocked minds who exclusively use Internet 1 and "pioneer" (again, using this term for a platform as established as the internet sounds funny, but that really is what we'll be doing) a new way to make it profitable.

They're making these mega popular sites, and smart devices, and all of these things (that were intended at the very beginning to be tools for 'evil' anyway) NOT COOL ANYMORE.

People are SICK OF IT.

Internet 2 WON'T BE COOL EITHER.

It's all going to be a FUCKING FAILURE and the only thing left standing will be the FOUNDATION.

It's called THE INTERNET.

When the house burns down, what's left?

The concrete fucking slab.

That's the internet.

The sheeptards can go off and play with the new shiny...

I will stay here and be ahead of them all when/if they wake up from the spell upon the inevitable collapse/failure of whatever big brother BS they're planning on rolling out.

There are "entertaining times" ahead in the world...

And that's cool, cuz never forget, we came here for a fucking show.

The foundation is a set of relatively low tech tools that most people don't know exist, aren't interested in knowing about when you tell them they exist, and can't be bothered to learn how to use even if they were interested.

The World Wide Web isn't one of those foundational tools. It's an easy-to-use added layer that made the Internet marginally palpable to the masses. Nobody wants to go back to the Web as it existed in 1991.

Cookies are another layer that made it possible for websites to recognize you're still the same visitor from one pageview to the next. Without cookies, a Web server forgets everything about you after the page loads. Using cookies automatically gives websites a way to track you, which is the basis of all Facebook fuckery.

JavaScript and AJAX are additional layers that made it possible for websites to further mimic the continuity of desktop programs in a less obtrusive way, with the side effect of providing yet more ways for websites to spy on you without your knowledge or consent.

There's no low-tech way to unfuck the Web now that it's fucked. You can only stay ahead of the fuckery by piling on more technologies: encryption, VPNs, blockchains, private browser sessions, etc. The arms race never ends. That's not getting back to basics.

The free thinkers who remain on the Web will be relegated to backwater sites that can't be found via search engines and other corporate gatekeepers. If you build a website that the corporations don't want to become well-known, you'll be waiting there alone for a mighty long time before someone stumbles upon it.

Returning to foundational principles would basically mean building a transport layer based on a completely different design than the World Wide Web. A number of secure peer-to-peer networks have been designed, but they all depend on a central server knowing about every node on the network in order for one node to find another. That server is a single point of failure that can bring the whole network down or expose all of the peers if compromised.

You would also have to get around ISPs blocking ports that they don't want customers to run a service on. To run a Web server on a residential cable account, for example, you usually have to make the server listen to a non-standard port and use a third-party dynamic DNS service to send visitors to it. Nobody would know to connect to http://192.168.0.1:8088 unless you publicized it somehow. ISPs are owned by the same assholes that own the media. They make it as hard as possible to do anything other than the usual sheeple stuff.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but it will be a hell of a lot more challenging than opening a Web browser and typing in a URL. People would basically have to create complete online services with specialized client software like AOL and Compuserve on their own dime to approach the level of usability we enjoy on the Web. The owners of those services would more likely than not be petty tyrants with their own TOS and what-not. Being private individuals, they wouldn't be accountable to fairly enforce a clear set of rules. Sites that aren't run by "nazi mods" have always been pretty rare, even in dialup BBS days.

All of that assumes you don't intend to lay millions of miles of new fiber optic cable to create a second Internet that's truly separate from the first, of course. Maybe I'm completely missing what you mean by a second Internet.