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Quote:The Scottish Travellers emigrated to Appalachia in the late 19th century.
They were known as storytellers, entertainers, humorists, and musicians. Scottish Travellers have a word in the Cant language – conyach. Conyach describes the state when who you are, and what you are doing, merge into one. It's a highly sought after state when one is the singer, dancer, or storyteller at a ceilidh.
Usually at the ceilidh, songs would be sung about local people. This was a form of social control. You could spread gossip, make fun of someone, express admiration or love for someone, spread bad news about someone, or ruin the reputation of someone, just by singing a song about them, or inserting their name into an already existing song.
Travellers share a love of words in songs & stories. Also — a desire to constantly move on. They tend to be drawn to thrown away people, or outcasts, the broken, or the hidden.
https://www.appalachianhistory.net/2018/...ttish.html
Quote:In Scottish Gaelic they are known as "The Craftsmen", or less controversially, "People of Travel". Poetically known as the "Summer Walkers", Highland Travellers are a distinct ethnic group. Mistakenly, the settled Scottish population may call all travelling and Romani groups tinkers, which is usually regarded as pejorative, and contemptuously as "tinks" or "tinkies". Highland Travellers are closely tied to the native Highlands, and many traveller families carry clan names like Macfie, Stewart, MacDonald, Cameron, Williamson and Macmillan.
https://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history...psies.html
Quote:One thing is certain: the Scottish travellers were not gypsies, although there may have been intermarriage between the two groups in the 16th century and after, particularly in the Lowlands and Borders, when the gypsies or Egyptians, a Romany people from Central Europe were forced into Western Europe by the Mongol invasions of Russia led by Genghis Khan.
https://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/STELLA/STARN/...ngtrav.htm
Quote:Representatives of the community asked researchers at the University of Edinburgh to carry out the study, as there has been no genetic research involving Scottish Travellers.
Everyone who takes part in the University of Edinburgh study will complete an online questionnaire about their health and lifestyle. They will also be asked to return a saliva sample by post, which will be used for genetic analysis by researchers.
"Scottish Traveller groups have never been involved in studies using the power of modern genetics."
https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2021/study-see...er-heritag
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So basically Charles Manson s ancestors?
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Quote:The gene for blood group B first appeared in significant numbers somewhere around 10 to 15,000 B.C., the tail end of the Neolithic period, in the area of the Himalayan highlands now part of present day Pakistan and India. The development of blood group B was in large part a response to changes in the environment. It is possible that blood group B may have been the only blood group with the capabilities to survive in such a harsh environment.
The Ural Mountains prevented a large migration westwards from Asia, although small numbers of Caucasians entered eastern Europe, carrying with them the gene for blood group B that they picked up by intermingling with the Asian Mongolians.
Blood group B Mongolians continued to travel northward, toward present day Siberia. They developed a different culture, dependent on herding, and emphasizing the use of cultured dairy products. These nomadic people were expert horsemen, and wandered extensively over the Siberian flat lands, the great Steppes. These nomads must have been compact, tightly knit, and genetically homogenous.
https://www.michellerobertsmith.com/orig...up-history
Quote:Blood type B is generally described as selfish. Blood type B has a strong sense of curiosity, but at the same time, loses interest easily. Though there are a lot of positives to B types, people tend to focus on the negatives. Some say their root is in nomadic peoples who roamed from place to place.
"We love nutritious goat milk, give us more goat milk, and give us kefir too..."
https://www.sectual.com/thread-13398-pos...#pid143572
Quote:The nomads that D'Adamo says type-B people descended from ate a diet high in animal-based protein from both domesticated and hunted sources. Because of this, individuals with blood type B are encouraged to consume plenty of goat, lamb, rabbit, venison and fish such as salmon, sardines, cod, halibut, mackerel, sea trout, sole and flounder. Meat in particular supposedly increases the metabolic rate of type-B people.
https://healthyeating.sfgate.com/best-el...71768.html
Quote:Origin of the Romany Gypsies — Genetic Evidence
B blood group gene ranges from 5 to 30%.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/25757337
Quote:Blood groups of Roms (Gypsies) in Czechoslovakia
B: 25.21%
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/822730
Quote:11% of the Scottish population have group B blood
https://www.gla.ac.uk/research/az/imid/b...78_en.html
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I did some genealogical research over the weekend and my suspicions were confirmed... both my paternal and maternal great grandfathers were descended from Scottish Travelers. I already knew about the connection on the paternal side of my family, but was quite surprised that the maternal side came from them too. It's kinda weird that they ended up together.
I was always kinda stumped by the relevance of the "nomad" blood type B connection, since my paternal connection is strictly type O. Now that I know about the maternal connection, it makes sense. I just figured the odds were extremely low that both sides actually came from verified Scottish Traveler families, but here we are.
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I understand why some people think we live in a simulation. I mean, the interconnectedness of everything IS super weird. Like too weird to be coincidence.
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I think the maternal side of the Scottish Traveler connection may be even more hardcore than the paternal side...
It makes sense when I think about some of the stories my super elderly grandma told me about her childhood and their lifestyle.
Both sides of the family conned their way into certain positions after they each respectively relocated in the early 1900s.
Then on down the line, my mom and dad came together, BY CHANCE (geographically) in the same general area where both sides started out...
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One side relocated in the east US in the early 1900s, one side relocated in the west US around the same time...
Then a random job position brought the west side family out to the east side family's area...
And that's where my mom and dad met...
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Meh, I dunno...
Both paternal and maternal are hardcore...
Paternal side has a history of living and traveling extensively out of wagons.
It's not a pissing contest, but...
Both sides are pretty thick with it according to my research, and even in my own life experience from childhood onward.
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Quote:In Scotland today, Gypsies and Travellers speak a mixture of different languages: Scots, Cant, Romany, Scots Gaelic, Irish Gaelic, Shelta (the language of Irish Travellers) and Beurla Reagaird. The latter is a form of Gaelic which involves backslang, for example the Gaelic for horse is capal which in Beurla Reagaird becomes lupac. Through the generations there has been a great deal of socio-linguistic contact between these various groups, facilitated, for example, through intermarriage.
https://www.thebottleimp.org.uk/2013/05/...travellers
This explains the bizarre Scottish/Irish accent I talk to the animals with...
"I sing this song to the cat every day in my extremely annoying 'cute animal' voice..."
https://www.sectual.com/thread-18603.html
When they came to Appalachia, it turned into this...
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I've known some people who thought Charlie was all interesting and stuff...
Even some people in my Scottish Traveler descended family.
They have a fixation on him, but I don't share it in any capacity.
I could tell you all about Ted Bundy though.
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I think when they did the relocation in the early 1900s, they distanced themselves from their traveler heritage in order to assimilate. I know that's what my paternal great grandfather did. They just kinda refused to talk about it, sorta like how Jesse James' descendants don't even know they're related to him because the elders in the family wouldn't talk about it.
I feel like you really left your mark on this planet if you become that one nobody wants to talk about
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Quote:The Highland Traveller community has a long history in Scotland going back, at least in record, to the 12th century as a form of employment and one of the first records of that name states a "James the Tinker" held land in the town of Perth from 1165 to 1214 and share a similar heritage, although are distinct from the Irish Travellers. As with their Irish counterparts, there are several theories regarding the origin of Scottish Highland Travellers, one being they are descended from the Picts, excommunicated clergy, to families fleeing the Highland potato famine, or the pre-Norman-Invasion, have been claimed at different times. Highland Travellers are distinct both culturally and linguistically from other Gypsy groups like the Romani, including the Romanichal, Lowland Scottish Gypsies, Eastern European Roma and Welsh Kale groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_R...ple_groups
Quote:Beurla Reagaird is a nearly extinct, Scottish Gaelic-based cant used by the indigenous travelling community of the Highlands of Scotland, formerly often referred to by the disparaging name "tinkers".
Beurla Reagaird loosely translates as "speech of metalworkers" in reference to their traditional occupation of being traveling blacksmiths. Although Beurla today refers to the English language, its original meaning is that of "jargon", with the second element being linked to the word eagar "order, array, arrangement" (cf. the Irish Béarla na Saor "speech of the smiths").
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beurla_Reagaird
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(03-07-2023, 03:33 PM)Chatwoman Wrote: I did some genealogical research over the weekend and my suspicions were confirmed... both my paternal and maternal great grandfathers were descended from Scottish Travelers.
Just found out one of my great grandfathers (a woodworking hobbyist) specialized in making violins...
Quote:There is much history between the Roma people and the violin.
https://stringsmagazine.com/tradition-of...-exponents
https://www.halleonard.com/product/49030...ddle-tunes
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05-14-2023, 08:18 PM
That's not the only link between my family and violins...
I have a few close relatives (on the Traveller sides) that either played them or collected them.
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Not to state the obvious or anything but...
It kind of explains my obsession with tarot cards and divination in general.
The fixation began with palm reading when I was a teenager...
And the first palms I ever read??
Well...
They were special ;)
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