teddy in his prime

[Mister Obvious]

So Ted starts talking about how "wonderful" his childhood home was and how "dedicated" his parents were, when we all know he grew up thinking his MOM was his SISTER, and that his GRANDPARENTS were his freaking mom and dad.

I think about this sometimes.

Someone today asked me what I think about the death penalty, and I explained my thoughts on it...

https://www.sectual.com/thread-14415.html

But it got me to thinking about Ted Bundy, and how he was WRONGED as a child.

He was WRONGED. And no one talks about it. People know, but they just act like it meant fucking nothing. Like it didn't matter.

Well it did fucking matter.

His world was shattered when he found out the TRUE IDENTITY of his mom as a teenager. That is PROFOUNDLY damaging.

Family, friends, and even young Ted were told that his grandparents were his parents and that his mother was his older sister.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy

That is SICK, fucked up, and WRONG, and those people responsible had a hand in the way Ted turned out. They had a direct hand in the wrongs he committed later in life. They WERE RESPONSIBLE. Not in whole... sure. But in part, and I believe, IN LARGE PART.

Bundy expressed a lifelong resentment toward his mother for never talking to him about his real father, and for leaving him to discover his true parentage for himself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy

Oh but let's not talk about it. Let's not put blame where blame is RIGHTFULLY DUE.

Fuckin' fuckers.

[Mister Obvious]

Some family members expressed suspicions that Bundy might have been fathered by Louise's own violent, abusive father, Samuel Cowell, but no material evidence has ever been cited to support this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy

This wouldn't surprise me at all, since we're talking about people who would lie to a child (and everyone else) about something so serious.

[Mister Obvious]

Disgusting.

[Mister Obvious]

In some interviews, Bundy spoke warmly of his grandparents and told Rule that he "identified with", "respected", and "clung to" his grandfather.

I'm not a rocket scientist, but maybe it was cuz he somehow knew it was his DAD??

And regardless, it WAS the only "dad" he had.

Bundy described his grandmother as a timid and obedient woman who periodically underwent electroconvulsive therapy for depression and feared to leave their house toward the end of her life.

Sounds like the kind of wife/mother who stands idly by while her children get molested (and otherwise abused) by their piece of shit father.

In 1987, however, he and other family members told attorneys that Samuel Cowell was a tyrannical bully and a bigot who hated blacks, Italians, Catholics, and Jews, beat his wife and the family dog, and swung neighborhood cats by their tails. He once threw Louise's younger sister Julia down a flight of stairs for oversleeping. He sometimes spoke aloud to unseen presences, and at least once flew into a violent rage when the question of Bundy's paternity was raised.

Sounds like the kind of guy you couldn't put anything past, to me.

Oh but nooooo.

Let's put ALL the fucking blame on Ted.

[Mister Obvious]

The way he turned out was probably a solid 60% other people's fault.

And if he really was born of an incestuous situation??

Maybe there was something wrong in his BRAIN.

A ganglion gone awry, anybody??

No puppet master pulls the strings on high
Proportioning our parts, the tinsel and the paint
A twisted nerve, a ganglion gone awry
Predestines the sinner or the saint

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N0y985OvFY

Oh but nah. Ted was just evil. He was just bad and evil and it was all his fault.

[Mister Obvious]

If we started looking into other killers etc., I bet we'd find a whole lot of fuckery just like this was going on in their lives as kids.

[Mister Obvious]

Oh but nah. Ted was just evil. He was just bad and evil and it was all his fault.

"Evil" just sounds like such a retarded explanation in light of the FACTS.

And this applies to the use of the term in general, if you want my opinion at the moment.

Just seeing the absolutely gargantuan scope of human ignorance displayed in this example alone??

*shakes head*

[Mister Obvious]

And I'm not trying to make excuses for Ted, the adult serial killer.

I am standing up in defense of the CHILD who was LIED TO by EVERYONE he was supposed to be able to trust.

[Mister Obvious]

That's some fucking bullshit, and fuck anyone who can't admit it.

[Mister Obvious]

A couple other people said that they witnessed him change into a different being pretty much.... different face and body and personality.... and even an odor...  pure evil, and at that point is when they became very afraid of him. One of those people was his aunt and the other was one of the detectives or doctors that interviewed him after he was already behind bars.

"I got in the car and the windows were all rolled up except for a tiny crack. This driver had an incredibly bad smell to him."

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/30/debbie-ha...ad-9743128

Defense investigator Joe Aloi seemed to have gotten a clear view. While they were talking, he suddenly noticed an odor emanating from Bundy as his face and body contorted. "I felt that negative electricity," Aloi said, "and along with that came that smell." Aloi was suddenly terrified that Bundy would kill him.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...mon-part-i

His evil was so strong, I was with him on two occasions that I saw physical changes in him. I could smell him. ... He gave off an odor of almost burning carpet. He was just sweating profusely, almost like a chemical scent. He told me about this before. He himself was aware of it. It was wild, just incredible.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm...story.html

All of this reminds me of what Clif High says about how people with mental illness excrete a smell (pheromone) that isolates them from others...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpNjKLCaMnY

50:20 he's talked about this concept of a schizophrenic 'isolation pheromone' being excreted through sweat before...

https://www.sectual.com/thread-358-post-...#pid144989

Holy shit...

[Mister Obvious]

It's not a coincidence that all this information got tied together today.

Let's stop blaming shit on "evil" and "demons" and start calling it for what it really is.

It's trauma. It's chemical. It's broken people doing fucked up shit because somebody fucked them up.

[Mister Obvious]

Ted Bundy always told people to try and understand what made him so that it doesn't happen to anyone else. So that people don't grow up to be sick twisted fuckers who wrong other people, feeding the vicious cycle.

But he didn't even understand what made him. He thought it was the porno mags in the woods. Maybe he had a deeper understanding than that, who knows. Regardless, that's what he blamed it on the day before he died. The way I see it, he must have felt like porno was a big problem in the world... so it does say a lot.

However, let's remember...

He didn't just find out his "sister" was his mother. He also found out that the man he thought was his father, WAS NOT his father. He found out that the woman he thought was his mother, WAS NOT his mother.

He lost 3 people in one blow... they became strangers because they betrayed his trust on the deepest levels possible.

One of those people was never replaced, couldn't even be given a new role because they were missing entirely... his real father.

And let's not even go down the incest rabbit hole, because imagine adding that on top of it. But you think he never heard those rumors?

Let's blame it all on him though. Just blame it all on Ted. It's all his fault.

[Mister Obvious]

Their excuse for telling him those things just doesn't even add up...

What were they gonna tell him about his grandparents if he ever asked?

They're dead? They live far away and never talk to us?

If you ask me, his grandfather WAS his father...

And you know what? That just makes it all even worse.

That just makes the trauma to his young mind even more insurmountable.

But it's his fault, so let's just make sure we blame him.

Let's call him evil instead of traumatized and mentally ill due to that trauma.

Because that makes sense, and that takes us forward as a collective humanity.

[Mister Obvious]

What a joke.

[Guest]

"Let's call him evil instead of traumatized and mentally ill due to that trauma.

Because that makes sense, and that takes us forward as a collective humanity."

Yeah stuff like this makes me question death penalty . i believe in punishing these sk fuckers to fullest extant even slow torture, however its prolly better as a society to keep these damaged people alive as a testament to how not to raise/treat a child...and further psychological test subjects and scientific brain studies in the future that might detect things we cant see now

[Mister Obvious]

Well said, Guest.

I always forget about his "sisters" who were really his aunts...

So literally no one in his life was who they said they were.

It's debated how old he was when he found out.

I think he was between 8-12. Ann Rule said he was 23 when he located the birth certificate in Vermont. I think he knew before then though. Doesn't really matter... it happened, and whatever age he was at the time doesn't make it any less earth shattering.

His mom left with him and moved to WA to escape his violent grandfather, so who knows what he was doing that was bad enough to pull Ted out of that environment.

I was doing a search for their family pictures and I saw some articles mentioning this whole family lie debacle and questioning if it was the reason for his behavior as an adult. So it's a point that is being given more thought these days, but it's still unsatisfactory.

[Mister Obvious]

We gotta look at these whackass situations that some kids come up in and consider whether or not it's bad enough to result in detestable behavior as an adult... people need help when they're kids and teens, before it's too late.

He was right man, people gotta open their eyes to those in the community around them. If little Johnnie has been abused or some other crazy situation has gone on in his life, he needs some therapy before it's too late.

[Mister Obvious]

From the sound of it, his grandfather's crazed abuse alone was more than enough to be the cause of his problems.

[EWgxE]

Teddy needed an operation, Teddy needed to be on drugs!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdYaTa_lOf4