Another one gone.
Matt Christiansen talked to Jacqueline Hart on the phone. She insisted that he not record the conversation, so he transcribed it.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U0mQ...Hw0hc/edit
Hart admitted the rules are applied subjectively on a case by case basis, with the creator's entire body of work taken into account. She said Patreon's review team is understaffed, but seemed to imply every creator would be hauled before their kangaroo court eventually. Hart suggested that creators should get Patreon's approval before publishing to make sure the content meets their standards.
JACQUELINE: So, the thing that we try to do here is have the most diverse team that we can possibly have so that we have transparency and so that we have multiple views on this. Not that we’re operating in some kind of an echochamber - we like to have a process that we have a lot of differing opinions on when we review creators.
Oh please. You're in the bay area, Jacqueline. Yes, you are operating in an echo chamber. The differences in viewpoints in SF are negligible, if they exist at all - if not owing to the fact that you're immersed in a leftist hellhole, then certainly because every US corporation has more or less the same PC culture. 
A different take on Patreon. This is from 2 years ago, before the purge started.
This YouTuber won't do crowdfunding because his videos don't cost that much to make, and because patronage divides the fan base into the haves and have-nots, with the former getting preferential treatment. It also puts pressure on the creator to produce premium content for patrons.
The commenters had some additional reasons not to use Patreon:
Some creators blow the money on frivolous things rather than using it to improve the quality of their videos.
Patronage should be tied to tangible products, not online content. This is more or less what Trix has been saying all along.
A whole month?
Whoop-tee-doo, Edith. I quit for 18 months in 2005. YouTube and Facebook either didn't exist or were virtually unknown when I left.
I missed teh interwebz for a little while, but then I got used to not being on it all the time. Did a lot of interesting stuff in the real world that I wouldn't have done if I'd been glued to the computer. It really is an addiction.
https://www.addictions.com/internet/
Internet addiction was recognized and discussed in the press in the 1990s, but not much at all anymore. It's in the best interests of corporations and the surveillance state to keep us plugged in.
"You can't build a house on sand."
Exactly. You can't depend on Patreon for a stable income if they keep moving the goal posts.
Notice I've only posted videos from YouTubers who decisively quit Patreon. I've seen a few that talk about the Patreon problem - mostly rehashing what we already know about the Sargon banning and Cunty's lame rationalization of it - but they still have their Patreon link the description, and apparently never get around to saying whether they're quitting Patreon or not. They seem to be in total denial that the same thing will happen to them eventually.
I'm not gonna sit here and listen to them talk for a couple of hours if all they're gonna do is talk. I'm sure as shit not gonna bother sharing their pointless babbling.
Others are asking their followers to continue using Patreon until they can switch to another platform so they don't lose revenue. I can sort of sympathize, but to me it seems rather selfish of them to not be willing to sacrifice to support the cause when other creators have lost so much already. The punishment for Patreon's behavior must be swift and brutal.
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(12-22-2018, 04:02 PM)Guest Wrote: I'm not gonna sit here and listen to them talk for a couple of hours if all they're gonna do is talk. I'm sure as shit not gonna bother sharing their pointless babbling.
Agreed... they're just rambling for views.
The people who have actually deleted their Patreons are the real deal.
(12-22-2018, 04:05 PM)Trix Wrote: Agreed... they're just rambling for views.
I was about to say. Profiteering from your fellow YouTubers' misfortune is even worse than not standing by them.
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(12-22-2018, 11:47 AM)Guest Wrote: JACQUELINE: So, the thing that we try to do here is have the most diverse team that we can possibly have so that we have transparency and so that we have multiple views on this. Not that we’re operating in some kind of an echochamber - we like to have a process that we have a lot of differing opinions on when we review creators.
I don't think diversity is a good idea...
I mean, take ANYWHERE it has EVER been tried as an example of why it's not a good idea.
LOL, it's always an abject failure and ruins EVERYTHING. LMAO!
And people are always bitchtalking 'echo chambers'...
I now look at the term as an overused, intellectually weaponized straw man.
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(12-22-2018, 11:47 AM)Guest Wrote: Another one gone.
This guy is great.
14:30 great points.
(12-22-2018, 04:11 PM)Trix Wrote: And people are always bitchtalking 'echo chambers'...
I now look at the term as an overused, intellectually weaponized straw man.
It may be overused, but creating echo chambers is literally baked into the core operation of social media.
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(12-22-2018, 11:47 AM)Guest Wrote:
This guy is really great.
I mean I know I say that a lot but, the people I say are great typically are pretty great.
2:20 down over 40% in revenue from Patreon due to people leaving, I mean wow... if that doesn't say it all right there.
It's pretty amazing he had this transcribed. Somebody must have had some fast fingers.
3:40 LOL wow... Patreon just ADMITS it doesn't care about free speech AT ALL. LMAOOO. Holy shit. Doornail dead.
And it's like, okay, so you're being pressured by 'global payment processors'... is the answer really to cow to them? I don't think so. The answer would be to go public about it and BLOW the whole fucking thing WIDE OPEN. The payment processors themselves may deplatform Patreon, but then the WHOLE WORLD would know about the strong arming taking place. Patreon keeps quiet and buckles? Everyone leaves and they die. Patreon speaks out against the strong arming, they take the risk of being deplatformed by payment processors, but their hoards of users are on THEIR SIDE.
Alas... none of those ideas even apply because we KNOW that Patreon and PayPal are totally in bed together. What's not clear is whether they started this platform just to ultimately FUCK OVER everyone that they're now targeting for financial ruin. I mean... would anybody really put it past them to do this on purpose? Those lefties are an evil bunch!
6:25 that's complete bullshit. The "reporters" are just patsies. They could get anyone to do that.
8:05 fucking wow... LOL it just gets worse and worse. Patreon is so dead. And everyone there knows it. This is just so weird... like WTF was the point of this? Does anyone see why I suggest the whole thing might have been an elaborate troll to begin with?? Honestly. LMAO.
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(12-22-2018, 04:02 PM)Guest Wrote:
1:07 exactly.
So many brilliant dudes.
(12-22-2018, 04:32 PM)Trix Wrote: It's pretty amazing he had this transcribed. Somebody must have had some fast fingers.
Right? I was wondering how he transcribed it without having a recording to refer to. 
(12-22-2018, 04:32 PM)Trix Wrote: And it's like, okay, so you're being pressured by 'global payment processors'...
I have to call bullshit on that. I don't believe Visa and MasterCard give a shit who gets the money as long as it's not illegal and they get their cut.
(12-22-2018, 04:32 PM)Trix Wrote: Alas... none of those ideas even apply because we KNOW that Patreon and PayPal are totally in bed together.
That's what everyone is continuing to conclude anyway.
(12-22-2018, 04:32 PM)Trix Wrote: 6:25 that's complete bullshit. The "reporters" are just patsies. They could get anyone to do that.
The reporters are worse than patsies. They're devoted activists.
(12-22-2018, 04:32 PM)Trix Wrote: Does anyone see why I suggest the whole thing might have been an elaborate troll to begin with??
Well, I'm inclined to think it was just for Cunty to personally get paid for his own music or whatever, and he really didn't think through the implications of becoming a CEO and having to be responsible for a company. Artists are generally not well suited to that kind of role. In fact, they're at the opposite end of the personality spectrum from business managers. After the initial inspiration has fizzled out, mundane chores become tedious and dull to them.
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(12-22-2018, 04:52 PM)Guest Wrote: I have to call bullshit on that. I don't believe Visa and MasterCard give a shit who gets the money as long as it's not illegal and they get their cut.
Do you realize what a profound point this really is though?
Money is the king of everything... to these big corporations it's all they care about.
Whatever sells, whatever is popular... they're not supposed to give a shit, at all.
I'm not saying there's no line whatsoever, but it's certainly not this pithy BS we've been getting peddled to us by asswipes like Patreon.
What I'm saying is...
When did these payment processors start giving a fuck about ideologies and political BS?
When did money stop being king??
They didn't...
It fucking didn't.
That's my honest opinion.
So what the fuck is REALLY going on here?
One theory has it that the extremely wealthy have all the money they'll ever need, so now it's about power and control. They foresee the end of economic growth and are shifting focus to creating a feudalistic society where they can keep their position at the top.
That still doesn't make sense though because the typical investor isn't a mega-billionnaire and still expects to make money. And public companies are obligated by law to try to make a profit on the stockholders' behalf.
As far as there being a line, it's fuzzy. Public relations propaganda aside, a corporation's code of morality is based on whatever the law will allow. Which is arguably as it should be, since their purpose is to make a profit to the exclusion of all else. It's very hard to believe Visa or MasterCard would let social justice trump profit.
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(12-22-2018, 05:06 PM)Guest Wrote: One theory has it that the extremely wealthy have all the money they'll ever need, so now it's about power and control.
No...
It's never enough.
That's rule #1 about the greedy, and the money obsessed.
It is never enough and they never stop wanting more.
It's this basic FACT that prevents me from accepting this theory as an explanation.
(12-22-2018, 05:06 PM)Guest Wrote: They foresee the end of economic growth and are shifting focus to creating a feudalistic society where they can keep their position at the top.
But money is wholly fabricated in the first place...
There can never be an 'end' to economic growth, or should I say, there never NEED be an end to it.
A new kind of money, or resource to be used as money, would provide a solution to that 'boredom'.
(12-22-2018, 05:06 PM)Guest Wrote: It's very hard to believe Visa or MasterCard would let social justice trump profit.
There's no way they would (in my opinion) because they didn't get where they are by allowing something as fucking dumb and anti-common sense as "social justice" steer their ship... LMAO. God no. God no, there is something else going on here and that is all there is to it.
New interview of Sargon of Akkad by RebelWisdom.
An anonymous fool posted this helpful comment:
My friend Trix and I have been pushing the idea of everyone having their own website for awhile now. That's how it used to be in the 1990s. We didn't have a handful of corporations dominating the Web back then. Consequently, there was no censorship or SJWs interfering in other peoples' livelihood.
Here's our thread on Trix's site documenting all of the videos related to the Patreon purge:
http://www.sectual.com/thread-10613.html
Here's a brief tutorial on building your own website for those who don't know how. People were actually interested in this kind of information 20 years ago, but Zuckerberg somehow persuaded everyone to depend on him for a platform.
http://www.sectual.com/thread-10570.html
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Thanks for linking that tutorial thread in the comment.
As far as I know, comments on YouTube with links to other sites are held in the channel's 'review' comments section to be moderated...
A lot of people don't check that tab very often, I know I didn't.
(12-22-2018, 02:23 PM)Guest Wrote: Did a lot of interesting stuff in the real world that I wouldn't have done if I'd been glued to the computer. It really is an addiction.
The brain perceives tools as an actual part of your body, not an external object that you manipulate.
The way you use the Internet influences the brain's default operating mode: either being able to focus on tasks for long periods of time, or being easily distracted and seeking instant gratification.
Now imagine that a slimy sociopath like Zuckerberg knows all of this, and is deliberately subverting it for his own gain.
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I strolled on over to that jack conte's YT channel and clicked on his latest video, which is 5 years old.
Maaaaan, the hate that motherfucker is getting, is tremendous! Lulz-worthy, truly.
I didn't know Cunty had a YouTube channel. I'm gonna have to check it out. And downvote every video, of course.
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